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From seajob@sindominio.net (SeaJob)
Date Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:16:30 +0100
Subject [HaCkmEeTiNg] Re: [Euro-hkm] fuck europe, we are mediterranean 

Aupa!

This was one of the first topics we discussed in the spanish
hackmeeting mailing-list. There was a lot of people saying the same as
jaromil...

The final solution is clear for us: let's call it with any name, it's
clear that it's not a limitation. If we do something called European
hackmeeting and somebody from Peru, Egypt or Singapur wants to come,
it's great. If we do something called mediterranean HM and somebody from
Sweden, Chile or Zimbawe (some giucas' friends :) comes it's also great. I'm
not sure if i'm european, spanish, mediterranean, basque or whatever,
but it doesn't really matters to me: we have a lot of work to do, and a
lot of it we should do it together, no matter which group we are
(privacy is a common problem; people inside the UE has some common ways
to deal with it, but it's a common fight anyway; apply almost the same
rule for anything).

Aaaagur.

On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 04:51:22AM +0100, jaromil wrote:
> re all!
> 
> great idea to join efforts in organizing "something like the
> hackmeeting, but not only italian". i'm with you all.
> 
> and i have a first comment to do, hoping that a discussion will spawn
> out of it: fuck european, let's talk about mediterranean.
> 
> i'm an italian emigrated into north europe and i think that in italy,
> culturally speaking, we have more things in common with ppl living in
> north africa than with austrians, i think europe is just a weak myth
> driven by economical interests and that there's no common ground into
> it: this does'nt means that we should kick out other cultures, but i
> feel really in the need of hacking this "european brand" within the
> definition of the mediterranean culture, starting from what we are
> planning to do.
> 
> furthermore, because of economical wellfare in northern europe, there
> are plenty of so called "LAN parties" or congresses or happenings, of
> course all sponsored and in which i've been invited sometimes: the
> first thing i allways noted was that i was _the only_ (or in best
> cases, one of the _very few_) mediterranean person being involved into
> it, the second thing is that they had _lots_ of money from various
> institutions and companies for doing what they were doing, the third
> is that all that was'nt funny like the hackmeeting and it was'nt
> really spawning a brotherood like the hackmeeting community is.
> 
> the mediterranean area, economically speaking, is a desaster, but we
> are used to arrange everything without money and i think this should
> be a peculiarity of such an hackmeeting: autofinanciation and
> autoorganization should keep on as in the italian hackmeeting being
> the only sources for it. only in this way we would be doing something
> new and really needed in our scene, otherwise it would be
> yet-another-lan-party in which ppl with tech gathers up tech in a
> place where there's allready tech ready to connect all that tech and
> there's really not much to hack, just plug'n'play, IMHO.
> 
> AFAIK we are here from spain, france and italy, maybe somebody from
> netherlands... it would be really great to collaborate in organizing
> such happenings right in the mediterranean area, in the south of our
> small occidentalized world with all the difficulties and handicaps
> connected with that, a real engagemend wich would have a deep meaning
> in a social contest and moreover in a technical contest as long -
> trust me ppl - there's a real lack of technology in the south and to
> make something compute down there, that's what i call hacking ;)
> 
> cheers
> 
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